The BJJ Moses Podcast Show #17 (GWTM)

//The BJJ Moses Podcast Show #17 (GWTM)

The BJJ Moses Podcast Show #17 (GWTM)

“The Atheist’s New Clothes” – Moses uses the Folk Tale by Hans Christian Anderson’s “The Emperor’s New Clothes”  to illustrate a parallel between modern humanity and reality.

By |2016-11-02T20:58:15+00:00November 2nd, 2016|Grappling with the Mind|8 Comments

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  1. John Gauntt November 2, 2016 at 10:06 pm - Reply

    Hi Gene,

    I listened to your podcast tonight about reason & logic and Christian worldview. With respect, I disagree whole heartedly with your viewpoint about atheism and objective morality. For the record, I’m agnostic to humanity’s primary religions (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu etc) in terms of their various formulae for salvation/damnation.

    It feels like you’re trying to play intellectual tennis with an adjustable net. With the net down, you serve is that non-Christian worldviews such as atheism are illogical and lack an objective standard for morality. And yet, if I return volley that Christian standards of morality are faith-based on a sacred text, and therefore can not qualify as either logical or objective, then the net pops back up.

    If you aim to discuss navigating the arc of life from birth to death as a philosophical or spiritual journey, that’s perfectly valid. If you aim to use the tools & methods of rational inquiry and logic to refute atheism as a ethical philosophy of living, please decide whether the net stays up or down.


    John du Pre Gauntt

  2. Sye Ten Bruggencate November 3, 2016 at 3:31 pm - Reply

    Ok, I’ll bite. John, you said: “And yet, if I return volley that Christian standards of morality are faith-based on a sacred text, and therefore can not qualify as either logical or objective, then the net pops back up.”

    Does that mean you have actually engaged Gene on the topic?

    I’d be happy to engage you. How about you offer your justification for objective morality and the laws of logic you use to evaluate whether something can be objectively moral or not, and I’ll do the same?

    We can do it here, or perhaps Gene would have us do this on the podcast.

  3. Rodrigo Acevedo November 3, 2016 at 9:11 pm - Reply

    I will add something that most people forget when it comes to religion. 1.) christianity was born out of judaism. Judaism was a tribalistic religion with the deity El , elohim or elyon at its center as the main figure of worship. For the sake of commentary i will use the title name EL, el was looked up to as the creator and the deity to turn to by the hebrews upon leaving egypt. The fact that a tribalistic deity rose to such prominence among so many other tribal deitys has always fascinated me , but the fact that at the end of the day people still follow a 2500 year old tribal religion is just proposterous. Especially when you realize that the early hebrews hijacked the cannanite religion and with their alphabet and made it their own. History tells all, many scholars knows exactly what i just stated. Christianity follows Jesus , a palestinian jew who taught out of the torah , the torah teaches the hijacked canaanite/ phoenician religion . Also , christianity is a mix of judaism and greek/roman paganism. I truly do not understand how today’s religious people still refuse to accept that the abrahamic religions are man made and tribalistic in origin. I believe it truly takes a special kind of denial to not want to see the facts. History, archeological findings and a true understanding of the cultures of the middle east does not lie. I hope that one day people will truly see the truth .

    2.) Atheism means … anti theism .
    which means against Theism. It does not mean that there is no higher power or consciousness. It simply refutes the abrahamic tribal religions and their books.

    • Ron Van Brenk November 5, 2016 at 4:55 pm - Reply

      Pretty dull Rod,

      About as dull as our liberal prime minister saying he is going to change things “because it”s 2016!”
      So ancient religions ‘aren’t valid because they are 2500 year’s old’?
      Just plain dull Rod.
      Or as you say “proposterous”

      • BJJ Moses November 13, 2016 at 7:40 am - Reply

        Truth is like milk. It has an expiration date. 🙂

  4. Robert November 5, 2016 at 2:30 am - Reply

    Genetic Fallacy
    The error of trying to disprove a belief by tracing it to its source.

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